NH Debate

2012-Jan-07, Saturday 11:49 pm
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Ok, so, clearly I need to reiterate this point courtesy of absolute and obnoxious stupidity on the part of these Retardican Party nominee crazies.

The vast majority of the gays that I know that WANT to be married, want it as a means of sealing and assuring the relationship they have with their partner. They have zero interest in the religious aspects of the union. They only want the civic aspects. So. It's clearly time to disentangle the magical merger of the religious with the civic.

The only reasonable, real solution is to build a 'second system' of civil union. This civil union will be identical to the current marriage rights for all contract and civil and criminal aspects. Period. Marriage will henceforth be a term applied solely to the religious ceremonies. Consequently, if a couple pick up a marriage license, it will by itself also serve as the civil union documentation. And beyond that the civil union license will be available for anyone else that wants it, gay, straight, and in between. And yes, this will be between two consenting adults of contract signing age, as marriage is now.

It's time to grow up. It's time to get over it. And it's high time to recognize that an expansion of 'rights' occurred over and around a religious symbol of property ownership and transfer. And let's not pretend here. The notion that marriage was about anything other than taking literal ownership of a daughter, with a bribe from the bride's family (dowry), and then kicking out as many children as possible. Love wasn't part of it. It was only about political alliance, money for the groom's family, and many things that these people just don't attribute, at all.

Oh, yes, this will also allow them to continue to pursue an exclusionary status to their precious 'marriage' without actually denying fundamental rights to everyone. This is critical to this discussion since this is clearly the main point of their argument, when their 'supporting statements' for it are things like allowing two men or two women to get married will lead inexorably to forcing the country to accept marriage to a canine, or a lamp, or something equally absurd.
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From the webpage:

An unchecked executive, a compliant legislature, and an overreaching judiciary have combined to thwart the will of the people and overturn their votes and their values, striking down longstanding laws and institutions and scorning the deepest beliefs of the American people.

You're calling Obama the unchecked one???????????????? You touted the Citizens United decision as a victory for the Freedom of Speech even though the Roberts majority actually struck down over 100 years of precedent and understood law regarding BUSINESSES vs. citizens, and somehow this wasn't a judicial overreach??

An arrogant and out-of-touch government of self-appointed elites makes decisions, issues mandates, and enacts laws without accepting or requesting the input of the many.

No Child Left Behind? Iraq War? Cheney saying clearly 'So?' in response to the latest polling stating that the governed did NOT want to be any further part of the war of lies in Iraq and losing Osama bin Laden? Bush stating clearly that he didn't think bin Laden was much of a problem any more and didn't worry about him anymore?

Rising joblessness, crushing debt, and a polarizing political environment are fraying the bonds among our people and blurring our sense of national purpose.

You're implying that Obama was the one causing this crushing debt after what Bush and you shitbags did from 2001 - 2007 with unmatched and unchecked power in 2.75 (SCOTUS became Retardican during this time) of the branches of government???? Who is making this the worst polarized political climate in history? Sure, the Dems are holding to their own agenda, but I don't recall there being nearly as many Dems in the "TEA Party" as the zealots like to claim. And what exactly IS the sense of national purpose if not to help and care for ALL Americans, granting each of them equal rights and protections under law?

The need for urgent action to repair our economy and reclaim our government for the people cannot be overstated.

Indeed, I couldn't agree more. Every Retardican should be voted out of office, entirely. Let the Dems ACTUALLY do what they want without bullshit filibusters and obstructionism in either Chamber. Let's just see how terrifyingly Communist/Fascist the country would become. My guess is that the citizenry would actually allow people to LIVE who get sick through NO FAULT of their own. And they'd just as soon allow you to speak your mind, voice your opinions, and do whatever it is you wish with your bodies and behind closed doors as your soul, heart and mind decree you should do. Without fear of legislative punishment (providing these things don't truly interfere with another's free and rightful exercise of the same). Every one of you needs to be ousted. Every one. It's the only way to turn the tide away from this Shadow Theocracy you're all so keen on establishing here, in what was until about 40 years ago, the Bastion of Liberty and Equality, or so we pretended.


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