Retardican ethical suicides

[ssurgul]

So one of the big reasons I feel that so many of the Retardican 'activists' need to be removed from the gene pool is that most of them are, in many ways, much like Al Queda. They view that NOTHING is outside the rules when it comes to their pet causes. Killing is perfectly justified when it involves someone they don't like (abortion doctors, and political opponents in years gone by). But the really disturbing part is that they view it as it is. One of them takes the legal hit by going to jail for life in a system that believes in equal treatment and such. But that one psychopath that kills for 'their God' and 'His Law' fundamentally alters the way things happen. How many abortion doctors closed up shop because of the protests that turned violent, and because other doctors were assaulted and even killed? The damage was done.

Not many know about it, but back in 2004, Ohio actually had MAJOR problems with the election that year. As in, MAJOR. As in, 2 years later, several people in the elections office went to jail MAJOR. yet, that election of that nightmare of Bush still stood. The damage was done.

What about 'actual' judicial activism, such as Citizen's United? How much damage was done to our election process by that nightmare of a fraud? But now, even if we can somehow prove that Alito, Roberts and Thomas were all acting unethically with a MAJOR conflict of interest and should be removed for their actions, the damage is done. It'll take MASSIVE concerted efforts to get our government back, and the corporations won't allow that. The damage has been done.

And that is the lesson of these douchebags. Look at Wisconsin right now. The governor likely won't get reelected to dogcatcher after his little stunt, and his lies that have been disproven across the board. Lies that he won't even try and address right now. But if he gets his agenda of destroying public sector unions, he'll have 'won'. The damage will be done.

We like to think that 'justice is served' when nutjobs like this are put behind bars, or just removed from political circles. But Faux News and others have seen to it that these 'American Heroes' as they like to christen them are not actually removed. The damage will be done, and we'll just accept it, because Dems are just too fucking stupid in most cases to wake up, and fight back. And fight back HARD.

These people use each other as weapons. Trying to take the emotional and mental high roads for this fight just won't work with bullies that come in these sizes and shapes, in a seemingly-endless train. The only time they are ever going to 'learn' nowadays is by nailing them to the fucking wall and driving them not only out of politics but also out of the city, county and state. Fighting back against chronic bullies like this can only take one effective form and that's to actually fight back. They make it abundantly clear, day after day after day that the only thing they respect is the right of the fist. And they've proven time and again that there are no 'actual' limits to their tactics and underhandedness. Being a smarty-brainy type makes us feel good, sure, but it doesn't fix the fucking problem.

Comments

[fuenteviva.livejournal.com]

That's the behaviour of any fanatic - whether it's a liberal or conservative political partisan, social activist, religious evangelist, street gang member, or sports fan (athletes' eyes have been shot out with laser pointers while fans beat rivals to death in the stands). It's more a phenomenon of human psychology in general than the characteristic of a particular group. Groups that encourage independent thought draw fewer fanatics, though.

Everyone tries the tactic of getting the "foot in the door" or setting the precendent that can't be unset. That's how gay rights progressed and health care reform was introduced, and how revolution was sparked in Tunisia. It doesn't have to involve killing people - everyone has to decide for themselves when using a technique is an abuse.

Governor Walker is carrying out his campaign promises to the letter with the support of the newly-elected state assembly, who were elected by the voters to replace the long-standing Democrats because the people of Wisconsin want these changes now. I voted against Walker myself because his actions over the previous five years identified him as a power-obsessed shallow manipulator, not a genuine reformer. I did vote for the Republican candidates for the state assembly, largely because of the same flaws in the Democrat incumbents. The liberal candidates for Walker's vacated County Executive seat didn't survive the primary we just had last week - not even close. So even though Walker is an ass, he does have a lot of ordinary people supporting his actions here in Wisconsin, and for the right reasons.

[ssurgul.livejournal.com]

Well I concur in general with your post. Walker, though, I have to take exception to supporting. Not just because he's using his platform to bust Unions. But primarily because he never seemed to mention removing collective bargaining from the Unions as his campaign platform, I have to call foul here. Further, I realize this tidbit is now a tad bit later coming up but is still quite relevant, the Unions have already ceded the financials to him. Yet he still refuses to budge; the Unions must be broken. And he has to this point refused to even negotiate with the people in charge of the other side and has gone so far as to threaten layoffs if he doesn't get his way.

You're going to try and tell me that Wisconsin voted for THAT instead of just trying to balance the state's budget and deal with the harder fiscal problems?

Contemplation in the light of contention.

[gabrielhorse.livejournal.com]

Hmm... something in your tone is a little reactionary, and that makes the basic argument suspect to me. I will agree however that our "Justice System" mentality is flawed for dealing in such matters.

But I think a broader question that should be up for consideration is why do you want to exert control over such individuals in the first place? How great a threat are they to your existence? Instead of looking outward for the source of one's troubles, looking inward often reveals the source.

It is generally argued that people are a product of their enviroment- to which, I'm inclined to generally agree. Of course, the textbook extremist has presumably been brainwashed and is a slave to a mindset that controls their basic motivations for existing. However, if the enviroment such people come from is one of severe poverty and a lack of even basic amenities, can you blame such uneducated individuals for attempting to change the circumstances in their miserable lives if they can find an avenue for it- even IF it involves seemingly insane methods?

If you were dirt poor, often starving, mind-numbingly stupid and desperate for way out of that endless misery, would you be all that moralistic about choosing a particular means of betterment?